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Tenants over Dividends

The Moneygardener recently wrote an interesting post why he likes to invest in dividend paying stocks instead of investing in real estate (I’d link to the post, but I’ve been getting 404 errors from his site for the last 2 days). As someone who has invested in both, there’s truth to each point he makes (I agree with all of them), but there’s also another side to the issue.

Presented, for your consideration, some reasons why you might want to invest in real estate instead of equities (text in italics are the original points made by MoneyGardener):

No pesky rent cheques to cash. My dividends flow electronically into my brokerage account without hassle, fees, or paper (eco friendly too).

  • Pesky rent cheques to cash.  Dividends may trickle in (or be re-invested in your DRIP), but there’s nothing like walking to the bank with cold hard cash or a stack of cheques in hand

If given the choice I’d rather not receive phone calls at 4am from tenants with plumbing issues. To date I have not received one phone call from any of the companies that I own.

  • Given the choice, I’d like to have the opportunity to know about problems with my investment, have the chance to fix them, and to be able to plan to avoid them in the future.  With companies I buy common stock for, I don’t know about problems until the over-paid management team has already made short-sighted decisions to maximize the value of their stock options

Why chase people for rent cheques or listen to a hard luck story about why it’s late? Clorox (CLX) is never late with their quarterly dividend, and they don’t complain.
People break leases and decide to move out occasionally, taking your future monthly rent with them. Stocks never go away unless you want them to. They can also be acquired in which case their value spikes.

  • When a company cuts or suspends it dividend, there’s nothing I can do about it.  My entire investment can disappear, leaving me with no recourse, no future income AND the loss of my principal.  If a tenant doesn’t pay me, I have a wide range of options for collecting ranging from nagging him to evicting him.  Buildings rarely vanish, and even if its destroyed, the land its built on will still remain (along with a juicy insurance settlement).

I like the word ‘DIVIDEND’ better than the word ‘RENT’….it just sounds cooler and more profitable.

  • Rent sounds a lot cooler when you’re collecting it than when you’re paying it!

Owning stocks I can diversify across industries and geographies. Owning an 18 unit apartment building in Windsor, Ontario, I can not.

  • With real estate, I can learn the local market and exploit inefficiencies, buying property that no one else is interested in (and getting an appropriately good deal).  With the amount of information available to stock buyers, the market efficiently prices them, making it hard for me to get a good deal.  I will always have to bid against other people interested in buying.

My stocks do not require maintenance that involves getting my hands dirty or paying someone else to dirty theirs.

  • I can get my hands dirty, and increase the value of what I own by investing my labour in it.

Stocks are liquid. It would take me about 10 minutes to sell every stock that I own in an emergency. It could take years to sell real estate in a poor market.

  • Real estate is illiquid.  Because I’m not getting it appraised every 10 seconds of the day, I won’t get panicked when real estate prices go down.  I won’t even know about it unless I try to sell.  I can easily sit back and be a long term investor without distractions.

I don’t have to decide by what percentage to increase the rent, the companies that I own decide that for me.

  • I get to decide by what percentage to increase the rent, instead of companies deciding that for me.

Again, to reiterate, I’m a dividend investor (I don’t want the Dividend Addicts coming after me with pitchforks).  I like stable blue chips that regularly pay an increasing dividend.  I just don’t think that there’s an investment that’s absolutely better than others (or else everyone would just buy the better one).

And as a little bonus (so there’s no hard feelings from the Gardener), I’ll switch sides and gives three more points in favour of dividend investing:

  • When I invest in stocks my transaction costs are tiny (a fraction of a percent for a large buy).  With real estate, about 7% is paid in fees (legal + agents) every time it changes hands.  These expenses scale with the size of the purchase, whereas they are proportionately lower for stock transactions.
  • With real estate you have to check on your investments periodically, even for the best run properties with property management in place.  With stock, I can go and sail around the world, content that they’ll operate as well with me absent as they would if I was checking them every day.
  • Discount stock brokers rarely cheat clients, property management companies are notorious for underhanded behaviour.

What are your reasons for investing in real estate or dividend paying stock?

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Is Now A Good Time To Buy A House?

It seems that doom and gloom is everywhere in the economic and real estate world.  US banks are falling like flies, US real estate is dropping like a rock – the only thing that is going up is foreclosures!  I was recently talking to a friend who is trying to sell a house and he mentioned that some of the feedback he’s been getting from potential buyers is that they are very worried about the economy tanking, real estate prices dropping etc etc.  While there is a lot of uncertainty with respect to housing (as there usually is whether we realize it or not) it occurred to me that if you have reasonably sound finances and are looking for a house then perhaps now might not be a bad time to buy.  While I can’t predict where house prices will go in the future, I do know that if you are a serious house buyer in Toronto right now – you will have less competition than you did 6 months ago which in theory should translate into a lower price.

Here are some points to consider if you are debating shopping for a house

  • How is your financial situation? If you only have a 5% down payment and 4.8% of that was borrowed from your parents then maybe now is not the time to buy.  Zero percent down payments are not the end of the world but they aren’t a good sign either.
  • Is your industry doing well? If you work for a car company or the Canadian branch of failed US bank then you might want to hold off for a bit.  On the other hand if you are a teacher or government worker then your job should be relatively safe.
  • Do you own a house now? When the market is doing well, it is almost a given that most people will buy a new house and then sell their old house.  Problem is that if the market tanks on you then you are left holding a rather large bag.  I’ve always been a fan of selling the current house first and then look for a new house.  Worst case scenario is you end up moving into an apartment or with relatives for a while – it’s better than owning two houses that you can’t afford and can’t sell!
  • Are real estate prices going to drop? I wish I knew the answer to that but one thing I can tell you is that real estate is very regionalized in Canada so just because prices are dropping in Calgary and Vancouver doesn’t mean that the Toronto market will drop the same way.
  • Will US-style real estate problems will start to appear here in Canada? Not a chance – I’m not saying that our real estate won’t go down but the lending standards in Canada were far more stringent than in the US which is why their real estate rose so high and it’s also why it’s crashing so hard.
  • Why do you want to move? If you are moving for reasons of convenience rather than necessity then you should consider delaying the move if it looks too risky.
  • What is the rush? This applies to any economic scenario – a lot of people take too little time when shopping for a house.  Slow down, figure out the market, learn what is out there.
  • What if my Canadian bank fails? It won’t – stop reading CNN and get back to the MLS listings!
  • Think about the buying vs renting equation.  Maybe renting is better for you at the moment.
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Anecdotes and Advice from a First Time Home Buyer Part 11

My friend Christine has kindly agreed to write a series of posts on her experiences with buying a home for the first time which will be posted occasionally. See Part 10 – Home owner insurance.

 

Other bits and drabs

We were glad that as first-time homeowners, we did not have another property to sell before moving. We just had to give notice on our apartment, pack up our things, and find a way to transport them to our new home. We found that moving companies fell into two extremes, from expensive established companies charging at least $400 to seemingly fly-by-night individuals. Neither of these options appealed to us, so we rented a truck from Budget for around $100 after taxes, insurance and mileage charges. We were also fortunate at being able to convince some strong friends and family members to help out.

Beyond the big picture items, other items to do when moving to a new home are to set up the utilities (gas, electricity, telephone, Internet and cable).

Consider changing the locks for peace of mind. While Home Depot and other hardware stores sell locks that you can install yourself, locksmiths install high security locks that are more costly but are more difficult to pick and force open. We learned from our locksmith that metal doors are not necessarily stronger, as they can be hollow and thus easier to kick down. Lock plates and security strips along the side of the door serve to reinforce a door. Solid-core wooden doors are apparently the strongest.

Depending on your comfort level, you may also wish to invest in a security system. Monitoring costs for home security ranges from $25-$40 per month depending on the size of your home and the types of devices you choose to install. While it is not cheap, a security system does reduce your home insurance by 5-20% per year depending on the options that you choose and the criteria of your insurance company. Remember though that whoever you let into your home to install new locks or security devices should be legitimate and trustworthy.

And finally, notify everyone, including the government about your change in address. The mail redirect service through Canada Post costs $36 for six months and helps ensure that you will continue to receive mail and bills from anyone you may have forgotten to contact.

A happy ending to our story

After many months of fluctuating emotions, ranging from despondency at the options to resignation at having to buy a condo, the home search has ended happily. My husband and I were able to find a house that we wish to stay in for the long-term. We were able to remain in a target neighbourhood and maintain our downtown lifestyles by increasing our budget and going with a smaller home, both worthwhile sacrifices in our eyes.

The cover story in the March issue of Toronto Life Magazine looks at how the current housing market has caused some homeowners to overextend themselves financially. The housing prices in Toronto are crazy, but one should always be careful to crunch the numbers and not fly too close to the margin.

Getting more “house” for less money by moving farther out simply depressed us, and our main thoughts were of how long it would take us to be able to afford move back downtown. By choosing a place in the location we wanted, we are motivated to make things work and are happy to make changes to our lifestyles. The lesson we learned from our search was to be certain of one’s key requirements, whether they be location, price, a garden, etc., and ensuring that you and your partner are in agreement. Finally, do not be rushed into a decision. There will always be other houses on the market. At the end of the day, a house is still just a house and should not be an undue cause of stress.

This post thus concludes my home buying saga. With home ownership come many new responsibilities, thus new adventures await…

Thanks a lot Christine for your great series on buying a house. Maybe you can follow up with some renovation tips? 🙂

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Real Estate Arbitrage

I alluded to this idea months back, but Telly didn’t like it, so I dropped it (whenever possible I like to do what Mike or Telly tell me). Recently its come up with a couple of friends, so I felt it was worth revisiting.

A friend is planning to move to another area, but she has a rent controlled apartment that she rents for $100-$150 below market price. One thing I suggested she consider is hanging on to the apartment and subletting it to someone for closer to market rent. This would let her keep the place (in case she comes back to the area) and make a little cash at the same time.  EDIT:  A COMMENTER POINTED OUT TO ME THAT THIS IS ILLEGAL IN ONTARIO (look under section 3a) – Its probably worth checking your local laws before doing this.

Another friend rents a professional office but only uses it 4 days a week. As part of her lease, she’s allowed to sublet days. Renting out 3 days from the office would almost pay the monthly rent.

These aren’t really arbitrage situations, since they aren’t risk-free. They ARE situations where you can increase your risk a bit (if anything happens with the subtenant you’re going to be in the middle of it) in exchange for some cold hard cash each month. The nicest thing about the situation is that your income and expense are very clear (and as long as you’re able to promptly get a tenant and they don’t cause you any problems, its cash flow positive). In one sense, you’re buying living (or working) space in bulk and reselling it.

I’ve toyed with the idea of renting a 3 bedroom apartment in Waterloo, taking the smallest room and renting out the other two individually. If you get $450 / room and could rent a 3 bedroom apartment for $1,150, you’d be living quite cheap ($250 / month for your share of the rent). Again, you’re in the middle of it when one of your roommates puts his head through the wall: Welcome to the life of a landlord!

Living with other people isn’t always a joy, but being the person on the lease would give you total control over WHO you were living with.

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Anecdotes and Advice from a First Time Home Buyer Part 10 – Insurance

 

My friend Christine has kindly agreed to write a series of posts on her experiences with buying a home for the first time which will be posted occasionally. See Part 9 – Closing costs.

 

Insurance of various kinds

In arranging insurance for our house, my husband and I were presented with other forms of insurance for consideration. Insurance is akin to gambling with your future; it is something for which one pays, but hopes never to require. The insurance companies take a similar approach in evaluating your circumstances, as they lose profit when they have to pay out money. Deciding what was appropriate for our circumstances was really a calculated guess based on what we thought the future could bring against how much money we were willing to put towards potentially (and hopefully) unnecessary expenses.

Home Insurance

Mortgage lenders require that fire and liability insurance in the form of home insurance be in place before closing. The insurance company places a replacement value on the house and property, and is another form of guarantee for the bank or trust company that its investment in your home is protected.

When shopping around for home insurance, I found it odd that it is an industry that is not transparent about its products. The insurance companies that I contacted, all recognized names, provided quotes based on the parameters that were discussed, but the specifics of the policy and its exclusions (i.e. the fine print) were not available until a policy had been accepted. Costs seemed to vary greatly between companies, and it was tricky deciding which policy was superior based on incomplete information. Nonetheless, home insurance is not something that one can choose to go without and I accepted a reasonably priced policy from a reputable company.

There are many elements that are factored into the cost of home insurance. If you own a car, it is best to start with the company that holds your car insurance as there are incentive discounts for purchasing additional products with the same company. Also check if your employer or professional membership association has negotiated any group discounts.

When calculating your policy cost, an insurance company creates a risk profile of your home and property. Factors such as the age of the house, type of exterior (brick, siding, etc.), style of the roof and percentage of older knob and tube wiring are examined.

Based on the insurance company’s criteria, a replacement value of the house and property is calculated. The replacement value is the cost to the insurance company to rebuild your home if anything should happen to it. I was dismayed to learn that the replacement value of the house was considerably less than what was paid for it, but learned that the land has a significant separate value.

Other factors which determine the cost of property insurance include the size of the deductible selected and the comprehensiveness of the coverage. Choosing a higher deductible, or a higher amount that one is prepared to pay before filing a claim, lowers the cost of the insurance. In addition, having a monitored security system in place will also decrease the annual insurance cost by anywhere from 5 to 20 per cent depending on the type of system installed and the insurance company’s criteria.

A comprehensive policy is the most inclusive home insurance policy and covers both the building and its contents for all risks, except for those specifically excluded. There are other policies that insure against specified perils, but I did not look into them. Like everything else, insurance products vary and merit some homework.

Term Life Insurance versus Mortgage Insurance

It is optional whether you choose to take out insurance to cover the mortgage. Mortgage Insurance is paid directly to the bank for the mortgage, and as I understood it, does not necessarily cover any administrative fees that may crop up. Term Life Insurance was recommended to us as an alternative to Mortgage Insurance as it cheaper and paid directly to the beneficiary upon the death of the policy holder. Another benefit to term life insurance is that the screening takes place before the insurance is approved so there is very little chance that the insurance won’t be paid out because of pre-existing conditions which is the case for mortgage insurance. Here are some ideas on how to calculate the amount of life insurance you might need.

Term Life is taken out for a specific time period, and can be cancelled at any time. Unlike Whole/Universal Life Insurance, which is a permanent life insurance vehicle, there are no penalties to cancel a policy. Term Life Insurance is a temporary type of product. Policies are usually for 10 or 20 year periods. A Term 10 policy has cheaper annual premiums, but the premiums fees can increase substantially after 10 years quite simply because one is older and may have had health changes. Term 20 premiums are slightly more expensive than the Term 10, but the fees remain the same for a 20-year period. The choice with these products is entirely dependent on individual circumstances and financial means. Some of the Permanent Life policies are advantageous in financial planning, but exactly how that works is a bit of a muddle to me.

When you have dependents, life insurance makes a lot of sense in that you want to ensure some money for your family’s future. The question is whether two healthy individuals require life or any other additional insurance when there are no dependents. After all, that extra $20, $50 or $100 a month could be directed to an RRSP or other money-earning vehicle.

Disability and Critical Illness Insurance

Aside from life insurance, my husband and I were asked to consider insurance in case something happened which threatened our livelihoods. These are very personal decisions and definitely expensive considerations. The group health plans with many companies often include life and disability benefits. You may want to confirm with your Human Resources Department about the particulars of your company policy and decide if they are sufficient for your circumstances.

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Anecdotes and Advice from a First Time Home Buyer Part 9 – Closing Costs

My friend Christine has kindly agreed to write a series of posts on her experiences with buying a home for the first time which will be posted occasionally. See Part 8 – Success!

In addition to the fees paid to a real estate lawyer for his/her professional services (approximately $1100 and up), you will also have to factor in closing costs of between 1.5-4% in Ontario. These will include some or all of the following:

Ontario Land Transfer Tax – this can be largest portion of the closing costs, and is charged on a sliding scale depending on the house purchase price (see below)

Toronto Land Transfer Tax – charged on a sliding scale depending on the house purchase price (refer to previous post)

Survey or Certificate of Location fee — $600-$2,000

Legal Fees – $1,100 +

Title Insurance – approximately $200 against defects of title to property

Disbursements – fees undertaken by lawyer for registrations and searches. These may include City Tax Certificate, City Building Department Report, Water Certificate, Hydro Certificate, Gas Certificate, Land Registry Office Title Search, Registration Deed, Registration Mortgage, Law Society Transaction Levy, New Survey/Title Insurance

Fire insurance – as part of home insurance

Home inspection: uncovers small and major repairs that will be required; may assist in reducing asking price when major issues are found; check that an inspector carries liability insurance in case of errors ($350+)

CMHC fees if you have a high-ratio mortgage (discussed in a previous post)

Adjustments to reimburse seller for pre-paid property taxes, utilities, etc.

Taxes – resale homes unless classified as “Extensively renovated” are GST exempt. Most fees and disbursements are subject to GST. GST is not payable on the Ontario Land Transfer Tax.

New Home Warranty for newly constructed houses

Ontario Land Transfer Tax

As the name describes, the tax is applied on the transfer of land and is paid by a purchaser. The fee is charged on a sliding scale based on the purchase price, and for us, 2% amounted to a lot of money.

Purchase Price

Ontario Land Transfer Tax

$0-$55,000

0.5%

$55,001 – $250,000

1.0%

$250,001 – $400,000

1.5%

$400,001 or more

2.0%

Detailed information is available from http://www.rev.gov.on.ca/english/taxes/ltt/rates.html.

The Mortgage Negotiations

As I explained in a previous post, the important elements of a mortgage are the rate, term, amortization period and type of product (e.g. fixed versus variable rate). The appropriate mortgage should be determined based on one’s financial circumstances and comfort level. My caveat – study and clarify the differences between the mortgage products of different lenders offering comparable rates.

Embarking on the process of finding a favourable mortgage rate felt like steeling for battle. Friends emphasized the impact of a single percentage point over the full course of a mortgage. By nature quiet-spoken, I found it an intimidating prospect. Any initial fears that I had about negotiating with my less than assertive personality faded as the banks and brokers clamored to be updated about our status, and strove to match another institution’s rates a number of times. It was an exhilarating and time-consuming process spanning several weeks.

In talking to the banks or brokers, remember that a mortgage (and its interest) presents a lucrative money-making potential for them. It is therefore important to sell yourself as a business proposition by pointing out your desirability as a client. Emphasize your current and future earning potential, and point out any investments or RRSPs that you have which could be moved over. This is not the time to be modest. Trumpet your professional background and point out any family or business relationships with the bank, especially sizable investments or accounts of long-standing. Play off one bank against another by keeping them informed about the rates you receive. The banks do want your business, and from my experience were willing to match a lower rate from a competitor. This is especially important if there is a bank that you would prefer to deal with and are receiving a lower rate elsewhere. It never hurts to ask.

As well as “shopping the banks” on my own, I also called two mortgage brokers that came highly recommended by friends. To the surprise of my husband and I, the rates that the brokers were able to negotiate on our behalf came nowhere near to matching the rates that I was able to obtain on my own. The rates did not even match the PAM (pre-approved mortgage) rate that we had received months earlier. One of the reasons may be that while there is no fee charged to the borrower, the broker still has to earn a commission. Although that broker commission is paid by the lending company, the broker’s “cut” likely factors into the discount that is obtained from a lending institution.

Our experiences with the brokers were different from that of our friends who found that the brokers obtained better rates than they could on their own. It may be a matter of timing with the financial markets or differences in our financial circumstances. As long as there are no fees involved, it doesn’t hurt to give a mortgage broker a try. I would still do my own rate research though, just in case.

Keep in mind that you should not burn any bridges along the way in your dealings. Bank staff, especially in a large city like Toronto will change employers, and you do not want to jeopardize any future negotiations when it is time to renew a mortgage. Each mortgage renewal is like a “free-for-all”, as the bank holding your mortgage may not necessarily grant you the same good rate, or may not be able to match a rate from a competitor.

At the start of the process, my husband and I were undecided about whether to go with a fixed or variable rate mortgage. Our friends and some of the mortgage agents were of the opinion that mortgage rates were on the decline. This was based in part on the sub-prime mortgage fallout in the States, as well as an unusually buoyant Canadian dollar. The mortgage that we went with in the end is a 5-year open variable one, with the borrowing rate based on a set discount off the bank prime rate. Our financial position is stable and will improve over time, thus having an open mortgage allows us to periodically make lump sum payments directly on the principal. A variable rate mortgage is essentially a gamble on the expectation of stable or declining lending rates. We feel reassured about our mortgage decision as the prime rate has already decreased and with it our mortgage rate.

Bank lending rates are based on the rates set by the Bank of Canada. These rates are adjusted on a fixed timetable eight times annually. While financial institutions base their prime lending rates on Central Bank recommendations, they are not obliged to do so. Rate changes have historically not fluctuated by more than a quarter percentage point at a time. As our initial best variable rate was much lower than the lowest fixed rates we were quoted, we could weather a few interest rate increases before worrying about converting to a fixed-rate mortgage.

After deciding about where to take out our mortgage, there was paperwork to be completed and official bank underwriter approval to be obtained. The bank application required the following: the MLS listing, Purchase Agreement, salary information and assets information. It is standard procedure, at least according to three of the major banks that I dealt with, that a house purchase of over half a million dollars requires a bank appraisal. The house appraisal was undertaken at the cost of the bank as an assurance on their investment that the property is correctly valued. The appraisal also looked at comparable sales.

After the approval by our bank’s underwriting department, our dealings with the bank were concluded. The final paperwork was signed at our lawyer’s office, and it was our lawyer who sent us copies of the mortgage documentation.

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Anecdotes and Advice from a First Time Home Buyer Part 8 – Success!

My friend Christine has kindly agreed to write a series of posts on her experiences with buying a home for the first time which will be posted occasionally. See Part 7 – A close call.

Having inured ourselves to the speed-of-light pace of home buying in downtown Toronto, we had expected to be looking for a long period of time. To our surprise, just a few months into the search, we chanced upon an updated house with original architectural details just outside the Annex. The house was a bit more expensive than we had originally budgeted for, but it was affordable for us and most importantly in our target neighbourhood.

Despite the higher price, we still had to compromise on space. Many of the less expensive options that required additional work went through bidding wars which substantially increased their prices; thus the difference between a slightly cheaper property which needed more work and one in better condition was in some cases very small. For being able to avoid the potential renovation headaches, the higher purchase price simply made sense.

We were fortunate to avoid a bidding war which we ascribe to competition from other larger houses for sale nearby. Unlike what we’ve seen on television, we did not have to wait on tenter hooks at a coffee shop for our agent to present our offer. It was the lack of competition that worked in our favour.

We feel fortunate that we could afford a slightly higher selling price. We were careful to make sure that our budget could accommodate unexpected emergencies. We also wanted to ensure that we would not have to resort to a Kraft Dinner diet and that we would still be able to enjoy the downtown amenities that we love. Only time will tell if we have been foolhardy. Because we intend to live there for the long haul, even if values fall, our location will help cushion any losses.

We wanted to bask in the euphoric haze of having finally found a home; however, we had to get the various “close” elements into motion. The main areas that had to be set up included the lawyer, the mortgage and insurance.

The Real Estate Lawyer

The role of a real estate lawyer is quite straight-forward and is mostly administrative. As we had confidence in our real estate agent’s recommendations, we chose to use a lawyer that she suggested. Our agent also helpfully provided the lawyer with copies of the MLS Listing and Purchase Agreement.

It was the lawyer’s responsibility to coordinate the transfer of money from our bank to the seller’s bank, to draw up the paperwork for ownership, advise the local tax and water departments of the change in ownership, and make adjustments on any property taxes or utility payments prepaid by the seller. It was also the lawyer with whom we signed the mortgage paperwork and through whom we received the keys.

Below are the detailed responsibilities of a real estate lawyer:

reviews the agreement of purchase and sale

searches for arrears with utilities or property taxes

advises the municipal tax and water departments of the change in ownership

arranges the transfer of the Deed

prepares the Ontario Land Transfer Tax Affadavit and collects the fees

calculates and collects the Municipal Land Transfer Tax (as of February 1, 2008)

ensures that fire insurance has been arranged on the property

calculates the amount owing to the seller on pre-paid property taxes or utilities using a Statement of Adjustments

coordinates with the mortgage lender and the lawyer for the seller/buyer (whatever the case may be)

hands over the keys

What does the lawyer not do? Because of time constraints, there are areas that some real estate lawyers do not examine as part of the close process including property surveys, liens, open building permits and work orders against the property. If this is important to you, you should check with any lawyer you retain about his/her practice around these areas.

To protect against any potential property encroachments or other obstructions to your having clear title to the property, title insurance is extremely important, particularly if your lawyer will not being conducting a full title search. Title insurance protects a homeowner against any future problems with title and is a small price to pay (around $200) in case of anything the lawyer may have missed out on.

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Renovations And House Price – Reader Question

Dave, who is in the process of buying a house asked the following question in the comments recently

I would appreciate some advice as far as asking price and renovations.
We are currently looking at purchasing an older home that will require 80K. The current owners did nothing (and I mean nothing) to the house and have lived there for 12 yrs. Needs roof, furnace (currently 40 yrs old), all windows, floors need reinforcement, Siding. And this is just the outside. Contractors have quoted roughly 45K to do these items. The rest we would do over time. How should we adjust the asking price?

Cheap and I both agree that he should over-estimate the renos/repairs and subtract them from the market value of the repaired house (not the asking price) to come up with a fair market value. The problem of course is that coming up with the proper market value involves a lot of work looking at houses, seeing what they sell for and trying to learn the market that way.

Two other issues you may run into, particularly if you are looking in a hot neighbourhood, is that other buyers may not estimate the repairs as conservatively which might mean that your pricing model may not be accurate (it will be too low). The other scenario is that sometimes people who are desperate to buy into a particular area but can’t afford a house in good shape will overpay for a fixer. For example if there is an area where a house in good shape costs $600k and a buyer can only afford $500k then they might be tempted to buy a house that needs $150k in renos. Logically, they should only pay $450k for this house (approx) but since there will be some competition for this “entry to the neighbourhood house”, they might pay up to $500k for it just because it enables them to buy the area they want. I’m not suggesting that you overpay to compete with irrational buyers but rather to be aware of them and try avoid a situation where you are competing with them.

He also left a comment regarding his agent:

I agree with the comments on the common lines that agents try to use.
Our agent used the “don’t bid too low or you will insult the selling agent and clients” line this weekend. He also used the “meet them halfway” concerning the opening bid. He also used the “there is interest in the property” line. That was all this weekend. I said to the wife that we have a limit financially. If our 1st offer isn’t accepted, that’s OK. The house will be there a month from now when we return with another offer.

These are pretty standard lines for agents and while you shouldn’t put too much stock in anything an agent has to say, I also wouldn’t completely disregard them. The “don’t bid too low and insult the buyer” has some validity although it should really be worded “Don’t bid too low because you will be wasting everyone’s time including your own”. My point is that just because these lines can be used to further the agent’s own interest – doesn’t mean that everything the agent says is a complete lie.

I like the attitude of coming back in a month to put in another offer. The important thing to note is that while that particular house may or may not be there in a month, there are many more just like it, or even better. There is no such thing as a perfect house.