This post was originally published on Mr. Cheap’s original blog. When he brought over all his posts – some of them didn’t make it so I’m planning to publish a few of them over time.
I recently got my first margin call from E*Trade for about $3K. It scared the hell out of me, not because I could pay (I had the money sitting in a cash account and just transferred it over), but the call was unexpected and I was worried that I misunderstood the system to the degree that I had triggered it.
The day after the call, I got on the phone to E*Trade and admitted that I’d had a margin call, told them that it was no problem paying it (and I’d already transferred the funds), but that I didn’t understand what had put me into a margin call situation. The man on the phone didn’t apologise, but it turns out that the problem was on E*Trades end and they considered a bunch of “safe” stocks (which they’ll loan 70% of the stock value on) as “riskier” stocks (which they’ll loan 50% on). He told me the call wouldn’t be enforced, and after checking my account assured me I was fine (even if I hadn’t transferred the cash in).
I used the situation to get more details about margin calls and what would have happened if it had been a real call. Apparently the speed on which they’ll sell your stocks depends how far over the line you are (he said they’ll give you 3 or 4 days if you’re just a little over, bit will sell immediately if you’re significantly past your limit). I asked him for good customers with a conservative portfolio if they ever will waive a margin call or increase their loaned %, and it turns out that its actually a law how much they can allow people to buy on credit (so short answer, no).
In the end I was happy to have my understanding of the margin account challenged (and happy that it was a problem on their end and not in my understanding). I learned some new things about my account, which is always a good thing.
5 replies on “First Margin Call”
Happy New Year to both of you!
MG – same to you! Have a great year!
A scary thing indeed. Just like a surgeon saying oups…
Happy new year.
Happy New Year guys! Margin calls have been rampant in 2008 – I know that many brokerages have tightened their call procedures. In fact, if you read the margin account agreements for some firms you will see they have the right to change their rules and protocols on a whim. Not a fan of margin for most investors.
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