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Real Estate

Incorporating

Dan from Toronto wrote to ask:

I noticed you’ve purchased an investment property that you rent out. I’ve recently purchased a new home, re-financing my existing condominium to help pay the downpayment on the new home, and also renting out the condo. The rental income from the condominium covers quite evenly the operating cost of the condo (essentially – it carries itself, which was my goal from outset).Now in speaking to an accountant, he’s telling me I should NOT have the condo in my name, that I should either incorporate, and transfer the unit to the corp (thereby resulting in Land Transfer tax), or transfer it to my spouse. Others are telling me the accountant is nuts, and that I’m fine leaving it my name and simply claiming the rental income as just that, rental income, on my tax return, and write off the interest expense as well.

Wanted to quickly ping you to determine whether you have incorporated or have all your investment property in your name? ie: rent cheques go to your name? or 123456 Ontario Ltd. etc. The accountant says that since I re-financed my principal residence and put that money into my new residence, that this is a bad thing. Others say hogwash to that! 🙂 Not sure who to believe at this point, but wanted to hear your take.

I have a condo I rent out (which is in my name, NOT in a corporation) and I’m a silent partner in owning a building (which IS a corporation, which I own 50% of).

Whether it would be worth putting the condo in a corporation or not would depend on your networth, your marginal tax rate, your risk threshold and how much income the condo is making. To get the taxes done for a corporation costs about $1K / year, so that’s going to come out of your pocket if it’s breaking even right now. Corporations are taxed more favorably, so the income would be taxed at the corp rate (25%) if you incorporated, or at your marginal tax rate if you didn’t.

Assuming you have a marginal tax rate of 40%, it would make sense to incorporate if the condo made more then $6,667 PROFIT / year (since you’d have a tax savings of 15% from incorporating, but would have a fixed cost of $1000 for having the taxes done). Since your current profit is $0, I’d be tempted to leave it in your own name. The other advantage of incorporating is to shield yourself from liability. Say your tenant tripped, broke his back and sued you for 1.5 million. If you actually have 1.5 million, you could lose everything (and it might be worth $1K / year to avoid this). Incorporating would make the rental unit a separate legal entity, and in a worst case scenario your loses SHOULD be restricted to the condo itself. I say should because its possible to “pierce the corporate veil” and make the owner liable (I have no idea how this works, just that its possible). Its also possible to get insurance as a private owner to protect against things like this.

The fact that your accountant is suggesting you transfer it to a corporation OR your spouse sounds like he’s thinking that it’s better to declare the income under someone who is earning at a lower marginal rate then you are, but it’s weird since the condo is breaking even (there isn’t much to declare).

I’d tend to side with your friends and say your accountant seems to be giving strange advice. I’d try to get a clarification from him, and if he can’t explain his thinking to you, perhaps consider finding a new accountant (I’ve used 2 accountants and was dissatisfied with both of them). Telly makes a pretty good argument that you’re best figuring out your own taxes, and just going to accountants to get specific questions answered.

Remember that the PRINCIPAL portion of the mortgage ISN’T deductible (you’ll pay tax on this at your marginal rate, as if its income), so if a reasonably large portion of the mortgage payments are going to the principle (i.e. if this is approaching $7k / year) then it would make sense to get it in someone else’s name (as your accountant suggests). It would also mean that you’re doing far better than “breaking even” (which would be a good thing 😉 ). When you pay down the principal, you put equity into the property, which is almost as good as money in the bank (and is taxed accordingly).

The re-financing to buy your new home MAY have caused problems with the rental (when you re-financed it to take money out, the interest on the money you withdrew is no longer tax deductible since you’re using it for personal reasons – buying a house for you to live in – and not for investment purposes). Who’s name the condo is in wouldn’t affect this though (unless the view was that you could make it deductible again by selling it to your spouse or your corporation).

Your accountant MIGHT be suggesting this because he wants to earn the $$$ for setting up the corporation and for doing its taxes each year (which would motivate me to find a new accountant, you don’t need people to make bad recommendations for you to generate fees for themselves).

Dan responded and said:

My lawyer gave me very similar advice to yours, his words to me were “I don’t see the benefit of incorporation for you, since you would reduce your income on the condo to zero in any event by prepaying your mortgage, thereby eliminating tax liability whether the condo is owned by you or a corporation.”

I think based on the advice I’ve received from yourself and numerous others, I’m better off doing my own taxes next year.

We covered a lot of ground on this topic, and I’m certainly not up on all the relevant laws (tax and corporate). If anyone has more information (or knows that something I wrote is incorrect), please post a comment!

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Personal Finance

How I lowered Stress and Costs at Christmas

I’ve never been a big fan of giving or receiving presents at Christmas time. I think when I was a child it was a big deal to get presents especially at an age where I might not have been able to buy much for myself. As I got older I found that exchanging gifts with my parents was basically a “what do you want?” exchange and we would just buy whatever the other party had asked for. Eventually it occurred to me that we could remove a lot of hassle by just skipping the presents all together and just enjoying the other parts of the holidays like eating and drinking which were the activities that we enjoyed the most anyways.

This year we are having Christmas at my house which means a fair bit of travelling for most of my family so we decided that we wouldn’t exchange any gifts between the adults. There will be four kids there and they are fair game for presents! I think this is a great way to do Christmas since it will be a lot of work for us to get the house ready for guests and to prepare meals etc so not having to buy a bunch of presents will make the holidays a lot more enjoyable. To me the best part of the holidays is getting together with loved ones and giving of gifts is irrelevant.

Does anyone else out there do anything different to cut down on giving presents? Anyone think we are ruining the “spirit of Christmas”?

Finally I’ll leave you with a link to Violent Acres who describes her feelings about Christmas gifts which are remarkably similar to mine (although she uses a lot of different words…).

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Personal Finance

How Canadians Can Establish Credit In America

I actually lived in the US for a couple of years, but foolishly didn’t establish myself financially beyond opening a bank account. I used my Canadian credit cards, never owned property and just lived my life there.

Over a year ago when Prosper.com started up and I wanted to try it out, I wasn’t able to open an account since I didn’t have a US address or any US credit history. I tried a number of ways to get established with US credit and they were all quite difficult. The “official” way to do it is you go to a bank, offer to set up a GIC (they call them CDs south of the border) and an account with them. You then get a credit card with a limit significantly less than the CD’s value (so if you don’t pay your bill they have the CD). I tried to set this up, but the bureaucracy wore me out before I could have it set up.

Department stores, credit card issuers or anyone will just turn up their nose at you when you apply and don’t have any credit (this happened to me everywhere).

There is an easy “back door” which I used (and would suggest to others, this may also work in Canada or other western countries). Basically you use a friend who lives in the country that you want to establish credit in. Together you get a joint credit card, which they’ll be able to easily get if they have any sort of credit at all. The limit doesn’t matter. If your friend doesn’t trust you fully, that’s not a problem, just get the joint card and tell them to keep both cards when they’re issued.

Then you (or your friend) charge things on the card. The amount doesn’t matter, but its good to keep something on the card (buy a latte every month and just pay it off when the bill is due). Almost IMMEDIATELY you’ll be in the credit system and will get a FLOOD of credit card offers. Sign up for one of them, and when you get the card, get your friend to cancel the joint card. I’d recommend holding out for a credit card that has no annual fee, the interest rate doesn’t matter (since you’re going to pay it off every month, right?). Rapidly they’ll increase the limit if you just use it and pay it off consistently.

You now have started a credit history in that country, your friend isn’t liable for you any more, and you’ll keep getting more offers as you use and establish your credit in your own name. I always pay my credit cards in full (along with all other bills) and got a Visa, Mastercard and AMEX early in life and have never gotten more cards (except for a gold AMEX I only use for renting cars, because it covers the insurance). When it came time to get my first mortgage, the rep I was dealing with expressed amazement at how high my credit rating was. I expect if I ever apply for a mortgage in the US, my credit should also be fairly decent.

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Personal Finance

Wining and Dining on a Budget/Diet

I thought I would write a post about saving money and calories when eating out because like a lot of people I tend to eat out more around the holidays with work functions and family and friend get-togethers. Since I’m trying to lose weight along with limit my spending, these events can work against my goals.

I’m going to use a recent night out as an example of how I tried to save money and calories and still have a good time. I met up with some friends I used to work with at the Marche which is a great place for big groups because they have good food, separate bills and no tips!! Normally I like to have a beer or two (or more) at this type of function which can add greatly to the bill so this time I decided not to have any drinks. Since nobody else at the event was drinking very much I didn’t miss having a drink at all. It might have been different if everyone else was getting loaded but that was not the case here. I estimate I probably saved $20 from this action and quite a few calories. Another benefit of not drinking is that I was able to drive. Although I did pay $5 for parking, a cab home after drinks would have cost about $15.

For my food choices I had the potato rosti and salmon which is my favourite at the Marche. Normally I get sour cream as well but in the interests of my diet I passed on this extra. I have to admit that the dish just wasn’t the same without the sour cream which leads me to another lesson I have learned. “Diet” versions of yummy foods don’t work. If you want to cut calories and fat then choose a food that you like that has less calories and fat. Getting a “low fat” version of something you love or eliminating a key ingredient (sour cream) will probably just disappoint you. Being on a diet doesn’t mean you can’t eat “bad” foods but you have to limit your overall intake so be prepared to “make up” for a night out if you do decide to pig out. Another action I took was to avoid dessert. Normally at the Marche I have a chocolate pudding which is really good but I know it’s pure evil in terms of calories.

Lessons learned at the restaurant:

  1. Don’t drink alcohol or at least limit yourself – buy a six-pack of the cheap stuff on the way home if you have to.
  2. Don’t skimp too much on the food you like. If you want a certain non-diet dish then get it, but make up for it by having salad instead of dessert. And don’t leave out the sour cream if it’s necessary. 🙂
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Opinion

Investment Recommendations For Friends

Everyone always loves to say “do your own research before purchase”, “make sure to do your own due diligence” or “this is just for informational purposes, not to recommendation to buy or sell” and garbage like that. People are clearly reading investing opinion pieces because they can’t reach their own conclusions, and are prepared to defer to someone they feel is more knowledgeable. The disclaimer is just a cop-out to avoid blame if things hit the fan.

With that in mind, I’ve been happy to write about pretty much anything on this blog, and am equally open with thoughts and ideas about investing to my real life friends and family.

After reading about Lending Club, my best friend and I went 50/50 on a $500 investment. We discussed all the available loans, would send back and forth loan options to fund, and after we’d loaned out the $500, all the loans were doing very well. We’d originally planned to re-invest the proceed, but instead we borrowed more from Lending Club to re-invest (leveraging my friend’s great credit rating since I didn’t have any American credit at the time). Another $2500 in and we were collecting loan proceeds to pay off our debt (and Mr. Cheap was feeling like a tycoon).

Then our first “post Christmas” crash hit, a bunch of our loans went into delinquency, and eventually bankruptcy. Our money has broke even (with the high interest loans JUST covering those who have been defaulting), and our hope is to break even or at least have a bit of our originally $500 left when we pay off the loan we took out.

More recently, in the middle of the sub-prime shakedown, Washington Mutual was yielding over 10%. I talked to my friend about how I love dividend stocks, how stable banks are, and how much they value investors’ long term confidence in their ability to pay dividends. Trusting my judgement, my friend bought in to WaMu at over $30. The stock prompt started nose diving. Partly because I wanted to share her pain, and partly because I honestly thought it was unwarranted pessimism, I bought it myself at $21, buying on margin (which wasn’t terribly smart since I’m not working right now and will have a very low income when I’m back at school). Neither of us invested more than we could lose, but it really sucked when they started saying they’re going to cut their dividend by 2/3rds (I can forgive a low stock price, but if you cut your dividend you’re dead to Mr. Cheap).

Recently when I was talking to my friend I expressed my amazement that she’d still listen to me babble about money since the only thing I seem to be able to do is lose it for her. “Experience is a great teacher but she’s a costly one” rings in my mind, and more and more I see the wisdom of not providing specific financial advice to people you care about. Talking about the thoughts and philosophies are fine, but making specific recommendations just sucks if they don’t work out (and there’s always a risk they won’t).

Of course, do your own due diligence and acquire your own experiences before following any of my advice ;-). A wussy, garbage cop-out, but perhaps a wise one.

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Announcements

Saturday Weigh-In and Links

This morning I weighed 183 pounds for a loss of one pound. However I bought a new scale this and on the new scale I weighed 184.5 pounds. I’m going to be using the new scale only from now on which throws things off a bit but who cares? The important thing is that I’m watching my diet and the weight is going in the right direction.

Brip Blap had a great post this week about extraordinary jobs which certainly hit home for me. I’m one of those “boring” people who don’t think there is anything wrong with just working for a living. Even dream jobs get boring after a while – about five years in my case.  There’s a reason they call it work and Brip Blap’s point #3 “Take pride in your paycheck” made me feel better.

He also talks about how it’s ok to work a regular job while following your dreams at the same time – they don’t have to be mutually exclusive and the job doesn’t have to be an excuse not to follow your dream.

This Wall Street Journal article takes a look at the surprising number of borrowers in the US with good credit ratings who took out sub-prime mortgage because of their commissioned mortgage brokers.  Who would have thought that a commissioned salesperson would have led a borrower astray?

The Carnival of Personal Finance was hosted by Money Smart Life.

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Investing

Reader Question – Buy Stock in Cdn$ or US$?

Recently I got an email from Ian who is a reader of the blog. One of the questions he asked about was whether he would be better off buying BMO (Bank of Montreal) on a Canadian exchange with Cdn$ or a US stock exchange using US$. He has cash in US$ and wants to buy the shares in an RRSP.

This brings up two interesting points:

1) When you buy stock in a company it doesn’t matter which exchange or currency you buy it in.

If you buy shares of a company on different exchanges in different currencies you are still buying the same portion of that company so it doesn’t matter where you buy it. The difference in price is the currency exchange rate.

As an example if we consider two investors, investor A and B both have $10,000 Cdn$ in cash. Investor A buys $10,000 of BMO on the Toronto stock exchange and investor B converts his $10,000 (with no fee) to US$ and then buys BMO on the NYSE. After four weeks they sell their positions and investor B converts his US$ proceeds back to Cdn$ (with no fees). Which investor does better?

I’ll use data from Jan 1 for the buy. Stock prices are from yahoo financial and exchange rates are from Bank of Canada site.

Buy side

On Jan 3, 2007 Investor A buys 144.3 shares of BMO.to at $69.29 Cdn$ and Investor B buys 144.5 shares of BMO (NYSE) at $59.60 US$.

Sell Side

On Nov 10, 2007 Investor A sells his shares at $60.22 Cdn$ to get $8691.00 Cdn$ and Investor B sells at $59.60 US$ to get $8636 Cdn$. The exchange rate is one Cdn$ = 0.9898 US$ (all values are at noon EST).

In my example investor B does slightly better however that is due to the fact that my stock prices are closing prices on Jan 3 whereas the exchange rate is at noon. The point is that the fact that the currency exchange rate had a huge swing this year did not affect the choice of buying the stock in either currency.

2) You can’t have US$ cash in a brokerage RRSP.

I’m really hoping this post gets outdated soon when all the brokerages start allowing US$ in their accounts but until then….

If you have US$ and you want to contribute to your RRSP then you will have to convert it to Cdn$ and pay an exchange fee. If you want to buy US$ securities with that money in the RRSP then you have to convert it to US$ once again (and pay another fee) to buy the stock. Unfortunately there is not much you can do about the currency exchange fees but in Ian’s case he should convert the US$ to Cdn$ and just buy the Canadian version of BMO in his RRSP.

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Real Estate

Landlord Insurance

One of the things every “Starting With Real Estate Investing” book or information source says is to get insurance. Obviously having your investment burn down or getting hit with a multi-million dollar lawsuit would suck. I’ve written before that I’m not a huge fan of insurance (and I really believe if you start buying everything an insurance salesman offers you you’ll be in the poorhouse soon). HOWEVER, insuring against catastrophic loss is what you DO want insurance for. The insurance companies can make money in the aggregate, and you can avoid potentially devastating misfortune.

As I was completing repairs, I started calling agents wanting to buy insurance for the condo. With each one, the conversation went the same way. I’d tell them I’d bought a condo as an investment property, and wanted landlord insurance. They’d ask me who provided insurance for my primary residence. I’d tell them I rented, and didn’t need insurance for my residence, then they’d tell me they couldn’t sell me insurance.

It was very odd.

I’ve had a very few occasions in life when someone just flat out refuses to sell me something that they seem to be offering for sale and it throws you for a loop. I don’t even get angry, just very confused. I asked them who I should be calling to purchase insurance from, if they couldn’t sell it to me, and each of them said they didn’t know.

Finally I lucked out (after calling about 10 agents) and found someone who seemed to understand his business a bit better. He told me he couldn’t sell me insurance for my condo UNLESS I bought tenant insurance too. No problem I said (at this point I was desperate). I ended up getting full coverage for both residences (I’ll never use my rental insurance) for $40 / month, which seems very reasonable to me.

The morals of this story are:

1) Persistence pays off

2) If you want to get insurance for an investment property, get insurance for your primary residence as well (whether you want it or not) to make your life easier

3) Stick with people who know their business / do your business well. The insurance agent who sold me the right product is going to get first shot at all my future business.