A “Decent” Lifestyle

My mother recently went on vacation to Spain with one of our distant relatives from England. During the course of the trip, it turned out our relative is deep in credit card debt. She split up with her husband (of over 20 years) and has been struggling to get by on jobs that pay a pretty low wage. She told my mom that she “couldn’t live a decent lifestyle without going into debt”. No one in my immediate family could make heads or tails out of that comment.

To me living beyond your means is a party that is inevitably going to end badly. Eventually you’ll have to radically change your lifestyle once you lose access to the credit you’re abusing. Beyond that you’ll have the pain of filing for bankruptcy, probably at a stage in life when you’ll be less able to deal with it (since you’ll be older – working a second job will be even LESS appealing than it is now). Or, you’ll try to reverse your lifestyle before bankruptcy and have even less money to live on as you’re servicing your debts.

Perhaps, for extra fun, you’ll borrow money from friends and/or family and blow that before the party ends as well.

It’s a cliche, but some people truly don’t understand the difference between a need and a want. Vacations are wants. No one needs to travel for pleasure. I enjoy travel greatly, but if I can’t afford it, I don’t go. It’s incomprehensible to me that someone would think it’s a good idea to go on vacation or buy a fancy TV and add the cost onto a debt they’re already struggling with.

1 billion people live on $1 / day or less. At this level of spending you’re probably not meeting the long-term survival needs of your body (although I think a lot of people don’t realize that a dollar goes a lot further in a rural village in a developing country than it does at the Eaton’s center). These people can say that they don’t earn enough to live a decent lifestyle, but can ANYONE earning a western salary really make the same claim?

A while back I read through a blog of a guy who lived off $1 of food per day. Unappetizing? Sure. Unhealthy? Yeah, probably. That being said, how much more do we REALLY need to spend before it’s considered a decent lifestyle? $60 in snacks at The Carrot Commons seems like a want rather than a need to me. (for those not familiar with the Carrot Commons, it’s a hippie spawning ground masquerading as a grocery store here in Toronto along the Danforth – their hummus is great!).

Debt Kid and Violent Acres both have stories about times in their life when they were living pretty rough. This is probably the threshold of what I’d consider a “decent lifestyle” for Westerners, but in both of their situations they admit that they made poor choices and got themselves into a bad place, and they chose to temporarily live the way they did to get out of it. My brother spent 6 months travelling across Canada and the US in a pick-up truck with a mattress in the back (covered by a cap – those shells that cover the bed of the truck). He was homeless living out of his truck for half a year and he loved it! Hobo Stripper lives out of a van (and takes off her clothes as a job). I suspect she does have a problem or two, but I don’t think money is one of them – she chooses her lifestyle and seems pretty happy with it.

My brother probably would have been happier if he’d had a stripper with him in his truck, but I’d argue that would have been a want, not a need ;-).

Part of what got Debt Kid and V through their experiences is they chose them. I’m not terribly sympathetic with someone who sticks their head in the sand and ignored their financial reality until this type of lifestyle is forced on them. If a train is coming down the track towards you, I’m not impressed if you turn and look the other way until you get hit. In situations like these, the medicine will probably be less bitter the sooner you take it.

People sometimes are amazed at how little I spend ($1200-1400 / month these days), but from a global or historical perspective I’m living a lavish lifestyle. I have time to spend with friends, a computer and Internet connection that lets me blog and read all day, I never go hungry (and I have the option of healthy food), I have clean water, a hot shower and a roof over my head, free government medical care, there’s a public library in easy walking distance I can read current newspapers and books at, there’s a subway stop 2 minutes from my door that gets me to any corner of our not-so-fair city for a couple of bucks and a wide assortment of tasty affordable foods when I have some extra cash and want to “splurge”.

Not too shabby from my perspective. I could stop eating out, get rid of my home computer, live with a few roommates or in a rooming house and still be living what I’d consider a very decent life.

In a western urban setting, what’s the minimum amount of money or amenities that you’d consider a decent lifestyle?

18 replies on “A “Decent” Lifestyle”

Amenities: Hot water (4-piece bath), telephone, internet access (high speed by strong preference), and lots of diapers just at present. Also, a grocery store and a library within easy walking distance, a view of the sky – I never knew how important this was for me until I moved out of a basement apartment and got a place with a fabulous view – and access to green space.

Great post Cheap. I’ve heard the same statement (?couldn?t live a decent lifestyle without going into debt”) uttered a number of times by various people and oddly enough, they live more “decent” lifestyles than I do. Don’t get me wrong, I have a lot of luxuries and could do with much less but at least I’m aware that my lifestyle is beyond decent. I think having travelled to various countries, especially Africa, puts that into perspective. And yes, that’s definitely a luxury.

Mrs. Pillars: That all sounds quite reasonable. A wife and kids would change things for me, as I’d definitely want a higher standard of living than if it was more than just me.

telly: I think luxuries are ok (hopefully we all have them), it just drives me nuts when people refuse to acknowledge that they are luxuries. I haven’t been to Africa (I’m not sure I really want to – Egypt is abou thte only African country I’ve considered travelling to), where have you gone?

Tanzania. I highly recommend it! To date, it’s my favourite destination, only slightly better than New Zealand…and I LOVE NZ. 🙂

It was, for the most part a safari but we did get to see a glimpse of “city” life as well as spend some time with a Maasai tribe.

Rightly said Mr Cheap. I used to live in this same city not so long ago about 4 years back for about 550$ a month which included a Gym membership (Luxury expenditure). But with marriage and kids now even 3000$ a month does seem small enough (with no luxuries).

Living on a boat for 6 months taught be a lot about living with less- quite happily. It amazed me how I could live with minimal water and electricity, generating the electricity 100% from solar power. I didn’t live in a marina, but anchored out in a bay, so no services were immediately available. Sometimes finding a free water source to fill my tanks was a bit difficult, but I always found enough. I could shower, cook etc. on about 200 gallons of water (I believe that is right) for 5-6 weeks at a time.

In a western urban setting, what?s the minimum amount of money or amenities that you?d consider a decent lifestyle?

I’m going to go right out there:
Right now in Canada, everyone meets the minimums for a “decent” lifestyle unless they have chosen otherwise or are children living under an abusive roof.

The social safety net in Canada is very, very wide. Minimum wage does not generate a healthy long-term lifestyle, but minimum is also not a long-term wage.

To grab some numbers, in Winnipeg, long-term “living wage” is somewhere between $12-15/hour to maintain a lifestyle that provides healthy choices and some long-term stability. (for single people)

Those numbers are regularly achieved via call center workers, assistant “McManagers” (i.e. retail management), administrative assistants, hair dressers, servers, food prep professionals, etc. Admittedly, it may take a few years to get there, but nobody needs to be “stuck” at minimum wage forever and nobody needs to live unhealthy lifestyles if they can perform long-term in one of these positions (24k to 30k annually).

In Canada, the ability to work productively for 35-40 hours should provide you with enough income for a healthy lifestyle and the ability to raise children. If you are unable to work full-time, government funding provides an adequate buffer in basically every major Canadian city. Living in rural areas and / or reserves may cause current funding levels to results in a “sub-standard” (read unhealthy) lifestyle, but that’s really a separate issue unto itself.

Ironically, a coworker of mine who is deeply in debt told me that earlier today – that there is no way to keep from going into debt if you want to live “decently”. Weird. Two years ago her salary was doubled and she is still struggling to get by with hefty debt, and no retirement. She’s 65 and retiring within the year. She’s scrambling to find options for bringing in money without having to work 9-5. Sad.

My husband and I are college students, and we live on about $1800 a month. We could probably cut it down to $1400 if absolutely necessary, and still live “decently.” We have several thousand dollars in savings and have started Roth IRA’s, and the security of that money makes me not mind living on less for now.

I think the best would be is to draw up a budget and at the same time if you living using a month R1400.00 then look up on your end off the month budget to see what you’ve bought that wasn’t necessary then next month cut down on it and try buying generic products it will contribute alot to help living a decent lifestyle and save.

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