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Can You Invest Your House Down Payment In The Stock Market?

Jordan has agreed to help out the crack writing staff here at Four Pillars by contributing the occasional post.  He is a young guy living and working from home in Vancouver with his wife and 2 young kids.  Jordan is a computer geek at heart and last year discovered he also had a hidden passion for personal finance with the goal of “early financial retirement”. He will write about various financial ideas and situations that he comes across and share resources and useful tools.

When is it ok to invest your house down payment in the stock market?  I’ve always understood that a house down payment shouldn’t be invested in the stock market.  Actually the rule probably is if the time horizon of your money is less than 5 years, it shouldn’t be in the stock market. In fact if someone asked me for my advice I would say exactly the same thing. But I wanted to explore and research the idea for myself, so here is a new page in the Amateur Investor’s Manifesto.

Stock markets are volatile

The logic behind this rule is that the stock market is very volatile over short periods of time. As we clearly saw last year someone fully invested in the market could have easily lost 50%. Over the long term it’s much easier to predict a positive outcome.   As you’ll often hear – “the market always goes up” and “there has never been a 10 year period on the S&P 500 that went down”.  Unfortunately after last year that is no longer true.

So the alternative is to invest in a GIC or high interest savings account which is protected up to $100,000 per account / per bank or $200,000 for couples. The chance of a bank failure seems extremely low in Canada, the more real risk is high inflation eating away your money’s buying power.

Adding equities to your house down payment

What about a short term diversified portfolio? Shouldn’t it be possible to increase the return by taking on a small amount of risk? Let’s see what would have happened to an 80% GIC / 20% stock portfolio that’s invested for just one year. The asset allocation is the ultra conservative portfolio recommended in “The Smartest Investment Book You’ll Ever Read”.  In my test scenarios I’ll be using a $100,000 down payment.

* 80% / $80,000 ING Direct 1 Year GIC
* 10% / $10,000 iShares S&P 500 Index (XSP)
* 8% / $8,000 iShares MSCI EAFE Index (XIN)

* 2% / $2,000 iShares Canadian Index (XIC)

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Year

GIC

Stocks

Inflation

80/20 Return

80/20 Result

Safe Return

Safe Result

Diff

2008

4.10%

-37.50%

-2.00%

(6,220)

93,780

2,100

102,100

-8.1%

2007

3.50%

4.00%

-1.97%

1,630

101,630

1,530

101,530

0.1%

2006

2.75%

14.90%

-2.47%

2,710

102,710

280

100,280

2.4%

2005

2.50%

9.10%

-1.39%

2,430

102,430

1,110

101,110

1.3%

2004

2.50%

6.30%

-1.99%

1,270

101,270

510

100,510

0.8%

2003

2.75%

7.60%

-2.42%

1,300

101,300

330

100,330

1.0%

2002

2.75%

-21.80%

-1.58%

(3,740)

96,260

1,170

101,170

-4.9%

Inflation is the Core CPI from the Bank of Canada which actually excludes inflation of housing prices, but it does show the buying power of your savings goes down over time.

I wasn’t able to look up the GIC rates for 2002-2006 so I used ING’s historic high interest savings account rate for the beginning of each year which is usually just a bit lower then a GIC.

Oout of the 7 years tested the worst result was underperformance of $8,320, or 8.1%.  The best result was $2,430 of overperformance in 2006. So a slight loss isn’t much fun but not the end of the world.  The gains aren’t huge, but they do help a bit. I think with careful consideration to exactly what your goal is and your risk tolerance it is possible to invest for short term goals because on average the market goes up.

Dealing with a short fall

You basically have 4 options if you come up short, which is very likely for short term investing:

  1. You will need to adjust your goal such as delaying when you buy a house or looking for a lower cost house.
  2. Make up the short fall with income cash flow by redirecting savings before the absolute last moment possible or paying for expenses (ie tuition) as they come up
  3. Borrowing the short fall from another savings account such as a non-RRSP retirement account.
  4. Borrow more money on the mortgage or open up a line of credit.

Can you fully invest your down payment in the stock market?

Yes, in certain situations I believe so.  If you have enough savings outside of your short term savings goal to replenish it if there is a catastrophic loss then you should be able to be fully invested. If you realize the worst annual return possible is -50%, and your short term goal is $100,000 then you need to have an additional 52% ($52,000) in guaranteed savings to cover the loss & estimated inflation. If that other money is also fully invested then you would need to have 104% more ($104,000). This will help you ensure you would end up with $100,000 after a 50% drop.

It definitely wouldn’t be much fun seeing $100,000 of retirement savings vanish just so you could afford your $100,000 down payment, but it’s not really any more risky if you would have been fully invested anyways. The flip side is if you are lucky and there is a bull market, you will either have a larger down payment or you can add the extra money into your already larger retirement account. If you had been invested in 2006 you would have had your $100,000 down payment and your retirement account would have risen to $124,860 (+24%) instead of $112,430.

It’s worth repeating: I would still not recommend investing a house down payment in the stock market. It’s just not a good idea for most people. If you do decide to do it then: know your risks, be conservative, make sure you can fully cover a short fall and hang on for a bumpy ride.

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Saturday, Jan 10 LinkStuff

Weight

183.0 – I gained 3 pounds over the holidays which is unfortunate but to be expected.  I went to visit my parents and although I like to blame them for making it easy to overeat, the reality is that I use those visits as an excuse to eat and drink as much as I possibly can! 🙂

The links

A worthwhile read about money on Money Grubbing Lawyer – written by an ex-con which is something you don’t see everyday!

Dividend Growth Investor talks about when to sell dividend stocks.

The Oblivious Investor says that imperfect information is the reason why high-cost mutual funds still exist.

Brip Blap had a great post on time management.  He’s not working 9-5 anymore and it finding it hard to be productive.

Million Dollar Journey has a post on real estate – 7 real estate myths busted wide open.

Thicken My Wallet had a good post on preferred stocks – are they right for me?

Preet is back from holidays and has some conspiracy theories about investment managers on tv.

Financial Blogger has some thoughts (regrets?) on home renovation.

Money Ning says you should toilet train yourself.

A guest post I did a while ago called Know the history of the stock markets.  I wrote this when the market was still crashing but it still applies!

Clever Dude hosted the Carnival of Personal Finance and did a rather clever fairy tale theme.

Blunt Money says that percentage-based budgets don’t work.

Moolanomy presents an introduction to peer-to-peer lending.

Squawkfox celebrated her 1 year blogiversary – she has listed some of her best posts from the past year so go check it out.

Canadian Capitalist reports on asset class returns for 2008 – most of them weren’t good!

The Intelligent Speculator says that leveraged ETFs are a scam.

Investing School lists 5 legendary investors.

ABCs of Investing wrote about asset allocation and the reasons for owning different asset classesDollar cost averaging was the subject of another ABC post.

Carnivals

Carnival of Personal Finance was held at the Fraud Files.

Carnival of Financial Planning was held at the Skilled Investor.

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Real Estate

Dealing With Real Estate Agents And Other Real Estate Resources

My parents (Hi Mom and Dad!) are planning to buy a new house in the near future after living in their current house for 40 years.  Right now they are in the process of figuring out how to get a real estate agent.  Unfortunately I can’t be of much help to them since I don’t live in the same city but I did offer to share all my writings on real estate agents.  The following is a list of posts we’ve done on real estate and agents with a brief description of each.

The next series of posts were written by a first-time home buyer who explains all the various steps she went through:

That’s it!  Good luck with the house hunting!

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Frugal

Internet Service Providers

I was really impressed with the comments and discussion when a post on VOIP services (and specifically Vonage) generated a lively discussion last year.  Along similar lines, I’d be very interested in what people have been using for their ISP in Canada, especially anyone based in Ontario.

I used Bell years ago, and without fail they messed up everything they had the chance to mess up.  Recently a man called me asking what it would take to get me back at Bell.  I told him straight-up that I didn’t believe anything Bell offered me, so there wasn’t really any way they could get me back (which seemed to be the right answer as it got me off the cell phone quickly).  A friend in Toronto got a similar call where the woman was VERY hard sell trying to get her to switch from Rogers to Bell.  After my friend asked if she could review the numbers and call back if she wanted Bell’s offer (the answer was no, she had to accept immediately) I figured that Bell is the same old company it has always been, despite how they keep claiming they’ve changed.

I’ve been happy overall with Rogers, but the one thing they do that’s driving me nuts is that they’ve started charging a “usage overage fee” (basically a bandwidth cap that you get charged per gigabyte if you exceed).  The fee itself doesn’t really bother me, but they snuck it into their service (after I purchased “unlimited Internet” I don’t like that they’ve suddenly and quietly changed it to “very limited Internet”).  It’s also no fun checking every day what your usage is to make sure you aren’t using up your monthly allotment too quickly.

Recently I’ve gotten to the point that I’m ready for a change.

Most of the small ISPs are Bell re-sellers, which basically uses the same technology Bell uses, but you interact with another company.  I’ve dealt with a number of these over the years, and they’re ok for the most part, but inevitably problems seem to come up that they blame on Bell (and Bell blames on the re-seller), which from a customer’s perspective gets annoying in a hurry too.

I was originally going to sign up with “Yak” when I moved to Waterloo, but they had this stupid policy that you have to set up your home phone with them, THEN you can sign up for Internet with them (and they’ll be delivered in 2 installation trips).  This was silly enough that I decided not to do business with them.

I used Primus for my home phone / Internet years ago and at the time I didn’t have any complaints with them.  I switched to Vonage for a cheaper price and regretted it.

Teksavvy has come up a few times when I’ve been researching ISPs and is supposedly good, but I’ve never talked to anyone who is actually their customer.

One thing Rogers claims about Bell (and their re-sellers) is that they supposedly have a hidden cap as well, above which your speed suddenly slows down dramatically.  So instead of charging you when you exceed their cap, they just slow your transfers to a crawl.  Has anyone experienced this or know enough to verify / disprove it?

I’m currently paying about $70 / month for Internet and phone (before usage fees and long distance charges, last month’s bill was $100 which prompted this post).  I’m willing to pay this rate ($70), ideally without a transfer cap.  Unlimited long distance (within Canada is good, to the US as well is even better) would be gravy.

What is your phone / Internet plan?  What company is it with?  How much are you paying and how happy have you been with the service?

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Real Estate

11 Things To Think About When Buying A House

Buying a house is a very difficult decision – there are large sums of money involved, the transaction costs and hassle of moving mean that you can’t just buy another house if you don’t like the one you end up with, and you don’t have enough information to make a completely informed decision. The best you can do is try to educate yourself in all aspects of the house hunt, keep a clear head and buy a house that fits your situation.

Here are some things for house buyers to be aware of when looking for a new home.

1) Location

  • How far is it from where you work? Can you handle the time/money involved in the commute?
  • If you have young kids or are planning to have them – how far from the grandparents from the house? They tend to be the best babysitters.

2) Budget

It’s nice to say “buy within your budget” but that might not realistic. Do a quick budget estimate, look at some houses that you might be interested in and then revise the budget or revise the houses. If you really can’t afford a house then don’t buy one. There is nothing wrong with renting.

3) Know your market

It’s critical that you know the market you are looking in. The asking prices for houses are often not indicative of their true value and the only way to be able to estimate a house value is to look at as many houses as possible. Take notes and find out what they sold for.

4) Don’t trust your real estate agent

I would suggest that most house buyers use an agent but keep in mind that although they may be very competent, their commission structure ensure a huge conflict of interest. Please read this post on why you shouldn’t trust your real estate agent.

5) Don’t end up house poor

Sometimes house buyers “fall in love” with a house or neighborhood or even just the idea of owning a house and they place too high a priority on it. This can lead to regret when the novelty wears off and you don’t have any money to do the things you like to do. Try living for six months on a “pretend” mortgage payment and see how it goes.

6) Take your time

Until recently, many buyers were afraid of missing out on future price gains or being “priced out of the market”. If you are renting and saving as much as you can, then you will be fine. Here are some tips for renters to be able to keep up (or down as the case may be) with their house owning friends.  Note – this one isn’t as relevant as it was last year!

7) Make a decision

Previously, I said to look at lots of houses to learn the market. At that point you should be able to purchase a house fairly quickly. If you are looking for the perfect house or trying to time the market then you will never buy a house. I know people who did ten year house searches which is a big waste of time. The reality is that you will be happy with a good percentage of all the houses you look at, so as long as you can eliminate the worst choices then you will be thrilled with your new home.

8) Don’t worry about the down payment

Yes, I know – it sounds pretty shocking in the sub-prime era to suggest that a down payment of less than 20% is acceptable, but in my opinion, the ability to make the mortgage payments is the main factor for affordability. In other words, it’s the size of the mortgage that matters. Of course you can get better rates with a larger down payment so it’s better if you have one, but don’t sweat it if you have a small or zero down payment.

9) Don’t blow your budget on renovations and furniture

Most people end up buying a house that has mortgage payments large enough that the buyers have to “make the payments fit” into their budget. While this is not the best way to buy a house, some of these buyers then make things worse by spending more money on renovations and house decorations. Unless you buy a total wreck of a house, you do not need to spend big bucks on renovations. You can live with the non-granite kitchen counter and the couch set that doesn’t fit the room perfectly. I don’t care if the house has full-on 70’s decor – you can live with it for a year or more until you can fit the extra expense in your budget.

10) Be careful of flip properties

There are people and contractors who will buy a house, fix it up very quickly and turn around and sell it for profit. The problem with these houses is that they tend to look very good on the surface ie nice paint, trim, granite counters etc, but on the inside they are pretty ugly and might have substandard electrical, insulation etc.

If you are interested in one of these houses then make sure they have closed permits and check with the inspector to see if their inspection notes. Better yet, just don’t buy one.

11) Don’t buy the perfect house

If the house is livable and you have a good life, then you will be happy with whatever house you end up buying. If you spend more money on a “better” house, then you will quickly get used to it and will be no happier than if you had bought an “average” house.

My opinion is that it’s just a house. The people inside are what make it special.

Summary

Learn as much as you can about real estate, your budget and your local house market, but be prepared for the fact that buying a house is all about compromise, incomplete information and a lot of doubts! If you keep at it however, the odds are very good that you will end up with a home that suits your needs.

Other posts

10 mistakes I made as a first time home buyer.

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Book Review

Book Review: Die Broke

“Die Broke” by Stephen M. Pollan and Mark Levine has been on my “to read” list for a while, and I finally got around to checking it out from the library.  It was published in 1997, so it should be easy to find a copy at the library or a used copy.  I was impressed in a few places in the book where he suggested caution about stocks (which would have been useful a few years later during the dot-com bomb) and caution with real estate (which seems particularly wise these days).

Although there’s a large number of ideas in the book, the most innovative (and people’s main take away point) is his idea that you should structure your finances such that there’s nothing left when you die.  He spends a fair bit of time talking about inheritances, and how he feels they are poisonous to the recipient and the giver.  The core of his argument is that in the past inheritances came with obligations.  The first son would get the family farm, but be responsible to take care of his parents in their old age.  A daughter would inherit the silver, but would be obligated to maintain it and pass it along to her daughter (or a niece).  He feels that in modern times the obligation has disappeared and turned inheritances into something like winning the lottery.

He’s not opposed to gifts or transfers of wealth, but suggests they be made during a persons lifetime so they can enjoy giving the gift and seeing it impact the person’s life.  He talks about buying a farm with a swimming pool where his children and grand-children would visit and spend time with him each summer.  He suggests paying for children’s or grand-children’s education or helping out with a child starting a business if finances allow and that’s the sort of thing you want to do.

It’s definitely worth reading the book to get all the details, but the core of his approach to making sure you don’t run out of money is:

  1. Keep working:  He feels retirement is also poisonous, and that it’s harmful to suddenly become a useless lay-about at 65.  He recommends decreasing your workload, but maintaining some sort of paid labour for life.
  2. As you cut back on work, replace the work income with things like annuities and reverse mortgages that will pay out over time in exchange for a lump payment.

One of his other big ideas is that job security is dead (remember, he wrote this in 1997 so it wasn’t as obvious then as it is now).  He recommends doing a good job, but to always be looking for your next position (and to look for job experiences that strengthen your career rather than just helping the organization you’re currently in).

He touches on a number of other financial issues, such as how much he hates ATM cards and credit cards (he feels people don’t consider purchases as carefully), investments, insurance, estate planing, health care and career planning.

I didn’t agree with everything in the book (I’m keeping my ATM card and credit cards) and I might even want to leave a nice inheritance if I ever have kids.  He has a very interesting  perspective however, and presents an well thought-out opinion on a number of issues that are worth considering.

The book is broken down in 72 chapters, some of which are only 2 or 3 pages long, so it’s a fast, easy read.  I enjoyed it, found it well worth reading, and I would definitely recommend tracking down a copy if any of the issues mentioned above are of interest to you.

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Investing

RBC Direct Discount Brokerage Review

I recently moved my investment accounts from Questrade to RBC Direct in order to take advantage of the RBC 1% rebate deal so I thought it would only be fitting to do a review of their services.

Who are they?

RBC Direct is the discount brokerage arm of the Royal Bank of Canada which is the biggest Canadian bank.

Good things about RBC Direct

I like the trading platform – it looks nice, easy to use and is well designed.  There is also access to analysts reports etc.  It does the job.

If you would like to compare all the different Canadian discount brokerages, check out the Canadian discount brokerage comparison.

Bad things about RBC Direct

Everything else.  🙂

Fees – ridiculous fees in my opinion.  $10/trade is not bad for a passive investor but why anyone would pay $29 a trade is beyond my comprehension.  I’ve outlined the fees at the bottom of the post.

No electronic money movement
unless you have a RBC bank account.  This is the stupidest thing about RBC – yes, I understand they want to ‘bundle’ all their services but forcing investors to open up new accounts to use their discount brokerage when most of the other discount brokerages offer excellent electronic money movement options is just bad business.  Get out of the stone age RBC!

In order for me to put money into the account, I have to write a cheque and mail it to them.  If I want to remove any money – I have to pay $10 for a cheque to be written.  My plan is to keep all cash in the account until next year when I can move back to Questrade and then withdraw it electronically.  The most annoying part of this is that when I looked into the 1% deal – a customer service rep told me on the phone that I could do electronic money movement which turned out to be false.  Speaking of customer service….

Bad Customer service

I won’t bore you will the multitude of issues I’ve encountered with RBC but suffice to say that I think their computer system was probably build sometime in the 20’s which makes it very hard for the customer service reps to do their job.

Most of the reps are pretty good although one time I called without an account number and the rep told me it was “very hard to look up an account without the account number”.  I challenged him on it and he somehow was able to find the account immediately just using my name.  Kudos jackass…kudos.

Conclusion

I can’t really recommend RBC Direct since I really don’t like them and can’t wait to collect my 1% and go back to Questrade.  However, if you already do your banking with RBC and have a $100,000 in assets then they are not a bad choice.  If you don’t meet those criteria then look elsewhere.

Trading Fees

  • $28.95 per trade unless you have $100,000 in household assets at RBC Direct or complete more than 30 trades per quarter.
  • $9.95 if you have $100,000 in household assets at RBC Direct.
  • $9.95 if you make between 30 and 149 trades per quarter.
  • $6.95 for those super-active traders who do at least 150 trades per quarter.

Annual account fees

  • No fees if total client assets are $15,000 or more.
  • If assets are less than $15,000, a $25 quarterly fee will be charged regardless of the number of accounts.  Can be avoided by making three or more trades in all accounts

Other discount brokerages reviews

Questrade discount brokerage review.

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Top Posts From 2008

Just thought I would list the top posts for 4P from 2008.

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Why you can’t trust real estate agents when buying a house.  I’m not suggesting you shouldn’t use a real estate agent but keep in mind who’s side they are on (hint: it’s not yours!).

How to increase the odds of getting anything you want.  A very interesting and inspirational post from Mr. Cheap.

Why the sub-prime crisis hasn’t hit Canada yet.  Still hasn’t arrived although we’ve certainly felt the effects.

Your money and your brain book review.  A look at a great book.

Traveling Cheap – some methods for cheap travel from Mr. Cheap.

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